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Jess Glynne

S2, Ep. 3

“Give yourself every opportunity.”

From starting in music management to hitting the top of the charts, the story of the English singer-songwriter is anything but traditional. Discover this journey, from her breakthrough as part of Clean Bandit’s “Rather Be,” to the heartwarming origins of new track “I’ll Be There.”

Her new album, “Always In Between,” is out now.

Episode Transcript

Intro: Hello and welcome to What’d I Say, where Atlantic Records talks with artists about songs they made, songs they like and songs they’d like to have made. It’s an inside look into the craft of songs from the artists themselves.

Jess Glynne’s mantra is a simple one. Don’t stop. It’s this relentlessness that led to the smash success of Glynne’s debut record, “I Cry When I Laugh.” Which landed at number one on the UK album chart. While then spending 39 weeks within the top ten. Singles “Hold My Hand,” “Don’t Be so Hard on Yourself” would also hit the top of the charts, as would collaborations with Tinie Tempah, a Grammy award winning pairing with Clean Bandit. And in 2018 the song, “These Days” with Rudimental. She’s carrying this momentum into the back half of a sure to be busy 2018. One highlighted by the sophomore record, “Always In Between.”

The first single off that record “I’ll Be There,” has already hit number one in the UK. While Glynne has made appearances on the Today Show and Live with Ryan and Kelly and on the Graham Norton Show. In a recent visit to the Atlantic Podcast Studios, Glynne spoke about working in the music business prior to her ascent as an artist, about the creation of “I’ll Be There,” and about how there’s one way to get that thing you really, really want. Don’t stop.

Tom Mullen: So, I was going to ask, your mom worked in on the music biz?

Jess Glynne: She did.

Tom Mullen: Did you have a sense that that was happening at a young age?

Jess Glynne: It’s so weird because my mom basically worked in music for so much of her life. And then she had my sister and then went back. And then when she had me she kind of put it to bed. But her last job was at Atlantic Records.

Tom Mullen: No way.

Jess Glynne: Yeah, as an A&R coordinator.

Tom Mullen: Wow.

Jess Glynne: So it’s really weird.

Tom Mullen: In London?

Jess Glynne: In London, yeah. Really weird. Like really weird.

Tom Mullen: Did you see the logo around? Because I would like at my parents stuff and you know when you don’t know what they do, but you sort of do.

Jess Glynne: My mom would always tell me she worked at so many labels. And she worked at all of them. But do you know what? My mom worked in the music industry in the best time.

Tom Mullen: When was it? When was she there?

Jess Glynne: She was there through the, I was born in ’89, 70’s and the 80’s. So she had like.

Tom Mullen: That’s a party.

Jess Glynne: That’s when money didn’t matter. And when it was like loose and fun and there wasn’t so many restrictions and it was about the rock and roll life. And she’d go down to studios with bands and it was just a whole other era. What she did in comparison to what an A&R coordinator would do now is like totally different.

Tom Mullen: Were you hearing music being talked about? Were you thinking this is what I wanted to do?

Jess Glynne: Yeah, my whole life. Well, yeah so my parents are just music fans. So my whole life, I’ve been surrounded by vinyls, but CDs, by albums, by amazing singers and musicians. My dad and my mom loved jazz. They love it all. And so, they always would be going to concerts, to gigs, to cool little jazz bars and growing up it was always a part of my childhood. So I was obviously, from a young age, introduced to music in a very, I think in an appreciative way because they appreciate music in a different way. I think there’s listening to music and then there’s like muso’s who love music. But not just because it’s something to listen to.

Tom Mullen: This was the saxophone player that also played on this. And then that kind of.

Jess Glynne: Yeah and like Prince. You got to know who Prince is, Jess. And I’d be like, “What?”

Tom Mullen: I would love to have seen that.

Jess Glynne: Yeah.

Tom Mullen: Your face.

Jess Glynne: They were never forceful with it. It just was around the house. It just was what it was. And I guess from a young age I became obsessed with music. And I used to love singing.

Tom Mullen: Do you remember the first time you sang?

Jess Glynne: I don’t remember the first time. I do remember a young age singing. I do remember at school when I was like, what do you call it, preschool. I do remember singing and people being like, “What?” I always just thought everyone could sing. I guess as a kid-

Tom Mullen: You technically can.

Jess Glynne: Yeah.

Tom Mullen: As a kid you think everybody.

Jess Glynne: As in can do what I can. So, I just thought it was a normal thing. It was a part of life. Because as a kid you don’t know anything really. You haven’t lived. So I just thought oh yeah, everyone can do that.

Tom Mullen: Do you remember your first favorite song?

Jess Glynne: My first favorite song. What was my first favorite song? I feel like-

Tom Mullen: Like the first one that comes to mind.

Jess Glynne: One that I was obsessed with was “Hero,” from a young age. That’s one song that comes to mind by Mariah Carey.

Tom Mullen: Obviously.

Jess Glynne: So just in case someone. Not everyone.

Tom Mullen: I worked with Mariah.

Jess Glynne: Did you?

Tom Mullen: She’s so nice.

Jess Glynne: I bet she’s lovely.

Tom Mullen: She’s got an entourage and you can hear her coming.

Jess Glynne: I can imagine she’s funny though.

Tom Mullen: That’s the thing she’s so funny. I’m glad you like “Hero.”

Jess Glynne: Yeah.

Tom Mullen: I went to the Vegas show. You got to go.

Jess Glynne: Yeah.

Tom Mullen: I feel like she did another run.

Jess Glynne: Oh, it’s so good.

Tom Mullen: Yeah, comes out on a motorcycle. So, Mariah, was like-

Jess Glynne: She was definitely, yeah, up there. Her and Whitney, most definitely. And Aretha Franklin was… like “Say a Little Prayer” was one of my like, I used to try and sing that one. I’m like a kid and I’ve got this. But weirdly I’ve always had quite a husky voice. So as a kid, I think because I was just like, I just developed this kind of roughness. I mean today’s extra rough because I’ve been using it. But definitely Mariah.

Tom Mullen: And then when you were working in Music, because you did music management stuff. You were working in the biz for a little bit.

Jess Glynne: I did work, yeah.

Tom Mullen: What was the hardest thing to get through? I think the networking part. You know when you’re starting out and you’re like trying to connect with the right people and know right from wrong, were your parents helpful with that as you were getting into that?

Jess Glynne: No. If I’m really real, my mom and dad were really great at leaving me and my sister to our own devices. I’m very grateful for that because they were helpful in a sense that advice and knowledge and if my mom knows someone or could put me in contact with someone she would.

Tom Mullen: But you still got to seal the deal.

Jess Glynne: But she’s also like, the one thing that I genuinely love is that the reason I’m here is because of me. And she didn’t hand anything to me. Everything that happened up to now, none of that was because of her. My mom was out of the industry. She hadn’t been in it for years.

Tom Mullen: Yeah, you said that.

Jess Glynne: So it’s not like she could be like, “Oh, meet blah blah.”

Tom Mullen: Because when you get out for a minute, in six months you kind of-

Jess Glynne: And also, people move about. People change. The funniest thing is I didn’t find out until quite late that my mom’s boss was moving to Jive in New York. And he was like, “I want you to come with me.” And because of me she didn’t go. I didn’t find that out until a couple years ago. And I was like, “Why didn’t you take that? We could’ve grown up in New York. You would’ve worked at this big label.” And she was like-

Tom Mullen: If you would’ve gone to that high school for fame.

Jess Glynne: Yeah. And she was like, “You’ve done alright for yourself on your own. And I didn’t want to do it.” And I was like. And to be fair I was like, you know what, it’s quite amazing. Because I love the fact that I didn’t get handed anything. And I think it makes everything more amazing for me. I can’t remember where we were. I feel like I’ve changed the question. Sorry.

Tom Mullen: It’s more the networking part of the you sort of-

Jess Glynne: Oh, the music management. Sorry, yeah.

Tom Mullen: So you got into it and then you started doing it almost like you got a little cliff notes as you were going.

Jess Glynne: That was kind of mad because a family friend of mine knew this guy, who I was really friendly with this guy called Joey. And she was like, “Do you want to meet this guy, Joe.” I was looking for a job at the time. “Do you want to meet this guy Joe? He’s looking for an assistant. He works at a music management. I know you love music.” I was like, “Yeah.” I went and met him. We got on really well. He gave me the job. But it was like 500 pound a month, which is like $700.

Tom Mullen: It’s not enough.

Jess Glynne: It’s not living money. It’s like to pay so that I can get on the tube, get to work, and eat just about. But it was like-

Tom Mullen: That was your in.

Jess Glynne: It was like an in to learn and it was like, I was the run around. I was the person that was assisting, but I learned about promo. I learned about touring. I learned about studio production. I learned about contracts. I learned about; I learned so much. I learned about what it was like to actually try and be an artist and have a career and what went into that. I’ll tell you the truth. I struggled because I hated being on that side of it. And it really used to wear me down a bit.

Tom Mullen: Because you wanted to be there?

Jess Glynne: Because I wanted to be the artist and I worked alongside this artist and I was like, “You’re an ungrateful little boy.” You have been fed opportunities. This company believes in you, this management company. And the management were investing the money and that’s rare for a management to invest hundreds of thousands of pounds.

Tom Mullen: Wow.

Jess Glynne: By the time I’d got there, they’d invested about half a million in this artist.

Tom Mullen: Wow.

Jess Glynne: And when you are like okay this guy works hard, he’s talented, he’s cool. But he also is a lazy guy. I’d have to call him at seven in the morning to make sure that he was up and would go to an interview at 11 in the morning.

Tom Mullen: Wow.

Jess Glynne: Even though we were ordering him a car to get there. And he would still miss it. And I’d just be like, but that’s an opportunity. And at that point in time, I’d be like, is this normal. And I’d get frustrated. You’d be surrounded by that kind of energy where there’s a lot of confliction between the management and him. It was amazing to be a part of. But it just taught me how not to do it.

Tom Mullen: When you started meeting people, all those checked boxes were in your head.

Jess Glynne: I do remember once I got sat down because I remember I had to look after him one day with promo and stuff. And I remember being at certain things, and I’d be talking to the people who worked who would say. We were doing promo days or something. And I remember really specifically because I got on really well. I’m quite a people person. I’m very interested. I like to ask questions. And so, he was being a little whatever he was doing. I don’t know. And I was just having a chat. And I just remember this specific day. I remember them being like. He went and spoke to Joey, that guy, and he was like. Obviously he didn’t like that I was getting on with these people. Joey’s like, “Maybe don’t talk so much to these people when you’re going in. Make sure it’s all about blah.” And I was like, “Cool.” But even in that, I was like.

Tom Mullen: It clicked. Like all right.

Jess Glynne: There’s obviously something that I’m better at.

Tom Mullen: Yeah.

Jess Glynne: And it was amazing because there’s another guy who came into that office to assist and he would be in there first thing in the morning. He’d be doing everything and anything like helping everyone, doing this, doing that. I’d come in when I had to be there. I’d do what I needed to do. I would just do what I’m told.

Tom Mullen: Going through the motions.

Jess Glynne: I wouldn’t overuse my initiative, just because I was like I do what I need to do.

Tom Mullen: Yeah.

Jess Glynne: And I think it got to a point where they realized that I didn’t care so much. And we parted ways. It was like, they knew I wanted to be an artist. They knew that I didn’t want to be sitting in that office. I don’t think I was helping them so much.

Tom Mullen: So when you met your people, the song writers, the producers, and you kind of were doing that music thing, you knew when it was right because you were seeing all those things previously of like this doesn’t work, this doesn’t work. Oh wow, your producer, we’re connecting.

Jess Glynne: Because I could see he worked so well in studios and stuff. And obviously like came out. I wasn’t so much a part of the studio part of it. But yeah. So when I left, I spoke to one of the guys and literally this guy though who I worked with, and one of his other managers, this guy called Kwami, I tell you now he was one of the most inspiring guys at the beginning of my career because he was the one that I got on with. And he was the one that kind of knew and he would just pull me aside. He’d be like listen. We’d have deep chats about life, about achievements, about goals, about how, why, things that meant something. He really showed me. And when I left, he was like, I sat down with him. I said, “Can we just have a meeting? I want to play you some music.” I had like one song maybe or two that I had recorded. Terrible. And he was like, “My one piece of advice that I’m going to give you is go away and write 100 songs.”

Tom Mullen: That’s great advice.

Jess Glynne: I was like, “100 songs?” But best piece of advice I was given. He was like, “You need to find yourself as an artist. You need to say something. You need to be someone. That’s what I’m going to say.” And he was really minimal like that. And I found it really frustrating.

Tom Mullen: What number song did you feel you started going to that next level?

Jess Glynne: Do you know what?

Tom Mullen: Number 49? 51?

Jess Glynne: I don’t know the exact song. But I was 21 I reckon when he told me that. And it wasn’t until I was 23. I wrote this song called “Home” and I was like, “I know what I’m doing, guys.”

Tom Mullen: How good [of] a feeling is that?

Jess Glynne: But it took a long time.

Tom Mullen: Is that patience part, because some people think they got one song or they upload it and no one listens to it in a month. It’s not working.

Jess Glynne: I didn’t upload anything.

Tom Mullen: That’s what I mean. Your patience to have that listening to your friend and to do that was huge.

Jess Glynne: He really-

Tom Mullen: Because you got to the root of you.

Jess Glynne: I did. It was a really amazing moment and I just remember so well sitting basically when I left that job I basically went and did a million. I’m going to work a job that I can go and do music as well as money because I never, ever, ever took off my parents. I didn’t like that. I’d always have my own money. So, I was like I’m going to go get a job. Got a job in retail. Another side job and an evening job and then I did sessions in the day. Basically in that period of time, I was like networking. I was using all the abilities I learned when I was trying to find people. And it was amazing because I had got in the studio. The first thing I did after that was I found this guy. My friend introduced me to this guy. My best friend and I got in the studio with him and I paid this guy money. I actually had to go through my mom and dad for this.

And I was like, “Please, can you just help me out? I just want to get some solid material because I need to start somewhere.” And nobody really cares about you at the beginning because then they would do it for free and that’s there at the beginning. And this guy was like, I’ll charge you — I can’t remember but it was probably a couple grand. By the end I got four songs. They were mixed. They were mastered. They were finished. I had a CD. I could go and do a few gigs here and there. But I had something that I could play to other people. I could go write this is what I’ve done so far. Do you want to work? And then everyone wants me to work with me for free. And I didn’t ever, ever pay again. Which was amazing. Oh, no that’s a lie. I paid one other guy.

Tom Mullen: But for the most part.

Jess Glynne: But for the most part, and it was nothing money wise what I paid this guy. And I was like, right cool. Started something, I’m on my way and then that kind of was the first part of it. And then I started doing this. My friend came to me one day and said, “I found this music development, this artist development course. Do you want to do it?” Both of us, striving musicians. We’re really close. We met through my friend, got really close. And I was like, you know what, what is it? Let’s do it. It was like some two day a week. I was like I can do that. I can still work. I can still do studio, yeah, okay. That’s enough time in my life, yeah. So started this course which was weird. It wasn’t necessarily what I thought it was going to be. But it was what it was. I wasn’t the best student. I was in and out. But on that course, I met this girl called Jenae Bennet, Jin Jin. And she came in and did a talk. And I swear to God, if I hadn’t met that girl on that day, I wouldn’t be here. I promise you.

Tom Mullen: Wow.

Jess Glynne: Because I met her. I went up to her after she did a talk. I said, “Can I get in the studio with you?” And I built up so much of my own stuff by this point, I got to the best material that I thought. So I got in with this guy called DaVinci and I’d written these songs that I felt were my strongest yet and in that moment I thought I’m getting there. I was like oh my God. These songs are like, I think I’m solid enough. And I never said anything to anyone. And she was like, “Can you send me some stuff?” And I was like, “I’ll send you something.” But I did this private link. I sent it to her. I was like, “Love to get in the studio with you.” She hit me back and was like, “Love it. Let’s book in a session.” And she was working with quite… do you know Wiley Grime?

Tom Mullen: No.

Jess Glynne: So the Grime scene then.

Tom Mullen: Oh, yeah, yeah, totally.

Jess Glynne: So she was working with the Grime scene. And I was like, you know what, that’s cool. Working with a cool producer. Got in with these guys. Her and this other guy called Blessed Beats. We were at home. And I swear it was literally that moment I was like, something’s changed. I was like I’m there. I really just felt a difference. And it was just all of that on the way and it was like there were a lot of. And it was just, I guess it’s an amazing moment to feel like even though I had nothing and no one has said to me, “That song’s amazing.” But I felt it.

Tom Mullen: But for you.

Jess Glynne: Yeah. It was special.

Tom Mullen: And that’s the confidence. That’s the thing that you can go to that person that you were nervous about. You can still talk to them.

Jess Glynne: Exactly. Exactly that.

Tom Mullen: When you were featured artist on the Clean Bandit song “Rather Be,” that song had huge success. And then it was kind of concurrently around your debut and raised your profile. What was that initial impact for you personally, mentally to have all that sort of happen?

Jess Glynne: I think when I chose to do “Rather Be” it was a very big thing for me because it was a song I hadn’t written. I’m a very personal artist as in everything’s very close to home. So it was very weird to jump on something that wasn’t mine, but it was beautiful. It was really great. I love the song. And once we worked on it together and added those few flavors that felt me, it became personal. And when it blew, because none of us knew, and when it did what it did, it was the biggest mental change I’d ever had. And gradually I was going here to do a video. I was going here to do a TV. I was going here to do some promo. I didn’t know. I was like whoa. I know about this because I worked, I knew about it. But it was all like this. And I was like ah, right, cool. Okay. And I think it was really exciting at the beginning and it wasn’t as mad. At that point in time it was that slow build.

Slowly, getting busy. And then “My Love,” this other song I did, and that kind of went. It was another moment of whoa. And everyone was kind of like at this point in time, “Who’s Jess Glynne?” It wasn’t really like obvious who I was because I wasn’t in the video for “Rather Be” that much. I wasn’t in the video at all for “My Love.” And I was kind of like this ambiguous voice. It was like who the hell is this girl?

Tom Mullen: Who’s this husky voice?

Jess Glynne: Yeah and I was really grateful because I actually it gave me a chance to creep in but not it take over my life. Because I still was able to walk down the street. I was still able to do me and my own shit. And I didn’t need to worry so much. But then it was like “Right Here” came and then that was a top ten. “Hold My Hand” came and that’s when it all really started to blow my mind a bit. That’s when I really started to be a be like…

Tom Mullen: Do you remember the first time you heard one of your songs in public?

Jess Glynne: I remember when I first heard it in the car. I was coming out of my house and going to pick up my friend. We were going somewhere and I got in the car and there’s a woman in the UK, you know Radio One?

Tom Mullen: Yeah, of course.

Jess Glynne: Yeah, so Fern Cotton was doing Radio One at the time and she was like, “This Jess Glynne.” And I was like I’m on the radio. I was on my own.

Tom Mullen: It sounds different.

Jess Glynne: It does. And I was on my own and I was like. It was mad. It was a really amazing feeling.

Tom Mullen: Yeah. To have someone say your name on this station that you’ve listened to for how many years.

Jess Glynne: Insane.

Tom Mullen: So the new album, September. It’s coming in September. “Always In Between.” The first single, “I’ll Be There” I saw a little video of this amazing story around that song and I think it’s worth retelling for everybody because it just I thought it was really beautiful.

Jess Glynne: It is a really beautiful story, actually. Because basically the song, my friend was going through a really tough time last year. She was going through an awful breakup. At that point in time, she was like seeing no way out of that feeling. And we was talking quite a lot. And I was going through something myself personally. And we got quite close, I think when you feel alone you’ve got someone who can relate, it really helps. And we spoke quite a lot. Those nights where it’s like, I’m still awake. Are you awake? Yeah. Cool. We saw each other every night then because I don’t think I was around so much. She lives on the other side of London and both have crazy lives.

I just remember this one night I was lying in bed and I got this message. She sent me a picture that she’d drawn and it was like full on amazing piece of art that she’d drawn of my face. And it was amazing. It was fan art. And then this essay and she was just like. I probably got the message somewhere. And it was just like, “Jess, thank you. I just want you to know that I have been listening to your album and I didn’t realize the lyrics went that deep and that far and what you’ve been through. I hadn’t listened to it in that way, but I’ve been listening to it and it’s been my therapy. And I can’t tell you how much you’ve helped me. I’m seeing the light. I see hope.” And she was just like, “The message in that album is just like you clearly went through something dark, but you’re here. And you’re cool.” And she was just thanking me for helping her. Even though I wasn’t there, it was like that album had just kind of given her hope and changed her whole mentality and made her see that she didn’t need to feel shit anymore.

Honestly, when I get messages like that, from people I don’t even know. It’s like it melts me. When it’s your friend then it’s even more. And she’s a song writer. When I had decided to go away at the end of last year, she came down to write on the last day for this week I took everyone away to write for the record. She came down the last day. And I guess we had this idea of what we wanted to write. We had said for so long we want to write. We need to write about this. It was amazing that she’d gone through this and we’d been through something together. And that was in mind. I was finishing something off in another room and she went down and started jamming.

Anyway, I came down to the room and I was like, “Hey, let’s do this.” And she was like, “I’ve got an idea. I’ve just started it. Can I play you what we’ve done? And then let’s move forward. If you want to do it, we do it. You don’t, we move on.” I was like cool. So she played the tune and she had like, “I’ll be there when you need a little love, I got a little love to share.” And I was just like tear. I was like to be actually honest; this is what I heard the first bit was like, “I know the tears are rolling down your face. And it feels like yours is the only heart to break.” Because she’d done the first verse and no chorus. Or there was a mish mash of it. And I had to literally… even talking about it, I was like whoa. I was like, “Have you written that for me?” She just kind of gave me a massive hug and it was just. I’ve never experienced writing a song like that. It was just amazing to have somebody know you and have that feeling toward you.

Tom Mullen: The connection.

Jess Glynne: That can write. And actually make music like that. And I was just like whoa. Let’s do this.

Tom Mullen: Roll tape.

Jess Glynne: Yeah. And we finished the song and it was beautiful. It was just, now when I listen to that song, the way I look at it is that the verse is her and the chorus is me. That’s how I look. The verse is one person and the chorus is another person. And that’s how I listen to the song.

Tom Mullen: That’s beautiful. What do you see in music? Any dreams in your head? You’ve got the new record. Any other dreams in your head that you’re like I want to do this. And I feel this.

Jess Glynne: I do have so many dreams. I feel like my first record achieved a lot. That album did so much for me and it’s like thank you. I thank that album. And I’m so grateful. I feel like I’m not into a next chapter and I’m still so early in my career. It’s only album two and I just feel like okay now I want to just go to the next part. I want to come to America. I want to do bigger shows. I want to come to America and them to hear me on a bigger scale. I want to come to the world and then to hear on a bigger scale. I want people to understand who I am as an artist more than anything. I feel like I kind of got them mid-way with the first album. But I feel like with this one, it is more honest and it is more grown up and I feel like it is a better, what’s that word?

Tom Mullen: Representation?

Jess Glynne: Representation of me. Yeah. I think it’s a real representation of me. And I feel like I shy away from social media and from the fame and being in the spotlight constantly and telling you everything and being in your face. Just because I like to have my life. I like to be a little bit normal. And I feel like the reason I’ve gone a little bit more real on this record is because I feel that people constantly want to know and I feel like if I can give that through my music as much as I want, then they’ll feel like they’re connected.

Tom Mullen: You’re almost giving more through the music than social media. Social’s only a piece.

Jess Glynne: Yeah.

Tom Mullen: But the song, it’s the whole story.

Jess Glynne: Exactly.

Tom Mullen: That’s beautiful.

Jess Glynne: Yeah.

Tom Mullen: Rapid fire questions before you go.

Jess Glynne: Go.

Tom Mullen: What’s the song no matter how many times you’ve heard it, you’ll stop anything you’re doing to hear it again, to listen through it again?

Jess Glynne: Any one song. “I’ll Take You There” by The Staple Singers.

Tom Mullen: What’s one song that gives you goosebumps every time?

Jess Glynne: “In Love With Another Man,” Jazmine Sullivan.

Tom Mullen: Guilty pleasure? Band, song, album.

Jess Glynne: I feel like my guilty pleasure is chocolate.

Tom Mullen: I like that. That’s an answer. What’s the most recent song you’ve discovered and you had to share with your friends?

Jess Glynne: This tune “Hurry” by, I’m just in love with this song, “Hurry” by Teyana Taylor. Kanye I think did her album. Kanye’s album I had to share. That album is like. That’s my favorite album of the year.

Tom Mullen: Really?

Jess Glynne: I just love it. I’m a really big Kanye fan. I just think with him he hasn’t always got it right, but I feel like he’s a genuine talent and he’s like a scientist. That record for me is just gone back a little bit to his original flavor and for me the influences he uses in his records and the honesty and the realness and the way that he makes the music connect with the lyric, for me is like everything.

Tom Mullen: You know what’s really interesting about you mentioning Kanye is on Reddit, I don’t know if you go on Reddit at all, the website that has a bunch of information. Someone posted a photo of him in his basement studio years and years ago and he had something where he wrote five beats a day and then the photo under it with him getting out of a Lamborghini. And it was just like get motivated. Keep writing. And that was his motivation too. Just keep making music.

Jess Glynne: Just don’t stop.

Tom Mullen: There’s going to be bad ones along the way. But keep making it.

Jess Glynne: I just think that’s like what you, what I will say is like in life you get out what you put in. And my dad has always drilled that into my brain. And I think with writing songs it’s the same as in life. Don’t stop. Do you know what I mean? If you want to get somewhere, and you really, really want that. If you’re going to have a break and sit and watch 100 hours of Netflix.

Tom Mullen: I can’t do that. I go stir crazy. I want to create.

Jess Glynne: Yeah. So even for me it’s like at the beginning it was like I didn’t give myself one day. I never did. I would work weekends. I had jobs in the week. I did a course. I did everything. All my days were filled. Because I guess I had that mentality is like, there’s not enough time in a day. You just got to keep going. And that’s the same with music. Just keep going because you have to do everything in order to make something of it. Give yourself every opportunity that you could possibly have so that there is no room for failure. We all fail along the way. We always have our trip ups and we all have our mistakes. That’s just a part of life. At the end of the day, not everything works out for everyone. But at least if you’re doing everything and anything. There’s going to be something that’s going to work.

Outro: Thanks to Jess Glynne for coming on What’d I Say. Visit for more information. Our theme music is by Max Frost. Be sure and catch up on all the Atlantic Records podcasts at Thank you for listening.